Legislature(1993 - 1994)

02/16/1994 05:00 PM House O&G

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  HB 426 - CHICKALOON FLATS CRITICAL HABITAT AREA                              
                                                                               
  Number 008                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE CON BUNDE stated that Chickaloon Flats is an                  
  area on the northeast side of the Kenai Peninsula, on                        
  Turnagain Arm, facing the Alaska Coastal Refuge.  He said                    
  Potter Flats is just immediately across the inlet.  He said                  
  the area has a local nesting population of ducks and geese                   
  and it is an important resting and feeding area, as well as                  
  a migration point in the fall.  He stated the area serves                    
  ducks, geese, and shore birds, and the area has up to 25,000                 
  birds in a day, particularly in the fall migration.  He                      
  stated the birds use the area as a staging area when Portage                 
  Pass is closed due to bad weather.  He said Chickaloon is                    
  the primary place in the Turnagain Arm for birds to have a                   
  place to rest and feed.  He stated that Alaska has some                      
  other critical habitat areas and bird sanctuaries, the                       
  Mendenhall State Game Refuge, Anchorage Coastal Refuge,                      
  Trading Bay State Game Refuge, Palmer Hay Flats, and Susitna                 
  Flats.  He said these areas range from 300,000 acres to                      
  14,000 acres.  He stated the Chickaloon Flats area would be                  
  approximately 22,000 acres, which is a small addition to the                 
  system.  He said the purpose of HB 426 is to assure adequate                 
  habitat for waterfowl, rather than to create a stumbling                     
  block to future development of our resources.  He said there                 
  are currently no valid oil or gas leases in the purposed                     
  critical habitat area and it would not be disrupting any                     
  current plans for development.  He asked the committee to                    
  support HB 426.                                                              
                                                                               
  Number 049                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE GARY DAVIS moved that the committee adopt the                 
  committee substitute for HB 426.  There were no objections.                  
                                                                               
  Number 054                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE JERRY MACKIE asked if oil development,                        
  potential timber development, hunting, fishing and other                     
  kinds of development would still be allowed.                                 
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE BUNDE stated it would be allowed if it does                   
  not disrupt the critical habitat.  He said that hunting,                     
  fishing, hiking, birding would not be a problem.                             
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE MACKIE asked what HB 426 does if one can have                 
  oil production and other development.  He asked if there was                 
  a planned residential development for the area.  He said                     
  usually a critical habitat area is exactly that - it locks                   
  the area up from development to protect a certain species of                 
  game or birds.  He stated he did not understand what HB 426                  
  does.                                                                        
                                                                               
  Number 071                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE BUNDE stated his intention was that                           
  development could not take place if it would be disruptive                   
  and displace the resting birds.  He said if development is                   
  mutually compatible, there would be no reason that it could                  
  not take place.                                                              
                                                                               
  Number 077                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE MACKIE stated the example Representative                      
  Bunde used was that if it was a condominium building it                      
  probably would not be compatible with the ducks, but if it                   
  was an oil drilling rig, it would be compatible.  He asked                   
  for the differences between the two scenarios and how they                   
  might affect ducks.                                                          
                                                                               
  Number 080                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE BUNDE said he could see that one could have                   
  potential development that would have minimal, if any,                       
  impact and you could have potential development that would                   
  have maximum impact as far as destroying actual resting                      
  areas.                                                                       
                                                                               
  Number 089                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE MACKIE said he believed the State does have                   
  regulations currently in place that do not allow for a paved                 
  highway to go through the marsh.  He said they were called                   
  wetlands and critical habitat area regulations.  He said the                 
  State has regulations protecting these type of areas.                        
                                                                               
  Number 098                                                                   
                                                                               
  CHAIRMAN GREEN stated for the record that Representative                     
  Mike Navarre joined the committee at the table.                              
                                                                               
  Number 100                                                                   
                                                                               
  FRANK RUE, DIRECTOR, DIVISION OF HABITAT AND RESTORATION,                    
  DEPARTMENT OF FISH AND GAME (ADF&G), stated there are three                  
  types of state land.  He said there are park lands, which                    
  are withdrawn from the public domain and are the most                        
  restrictive state land designations the legislature can                      
  create.  He stated there are refuges, critical habitat areas                 
  or sanctuaries, which are a less restrictive designation by                  
  the legislature because the Department of Natural Resources                  
  (DNR) retains authority, but the legislature has said that                   
  ADF&G must approve development on the area and give it                       
  permit.  He said that other activities can go on in the                      
  area, it has not been withdrawn from public domain, but the                  
  legislature has put a higher standard for fish and wildlife                  
  by having ADF&G authorize activities in the area.  He said                   
  he third type of land is general state lands which ADF&G                     
  does not authorize or permit.  He said that ADF&G advises                    
  DNR about an area in a general state land situation.  He                     
  said in the case of surface entry for oil and gas activity                   
  in Chickaloon Flats, it is a fairly small area and so ADF&G                  
  might limit the activity to the winter.  He said ADF&G might                 
  recommend the avoidance of seismic work at the height of the                 
  bird migration.  He said ADF&G supports HB 426 and they                      
  support the committee substitute language that DNR wanted                    
  because it wanted to make sure oil and gas was allowed as an                 
  option and that is fine with ADF&G.  He said that ADF&G                      
  thinks HB 426 is a good idea because the Chickaloon Flats is                 
  a very important area for waterfowl migrating through the                    
  area.                                                                        
                                                                               
  Number 140                                                                   
                                                                               
  JOHN HENDRICKSON, PRESIDENT, ALASKA WATERFOWL ASSOCIATION                    
  (via Anchorage), stated he is also State Chairman of                         
  Waterfowl, USA.  He said the Alaska Waterfowl Association,                   
  along with ADF&G and many other groups, has been working for                 
  about 20 years to create a refuge and critical habitat                       
  system on Cook Inlet that was compatible with multiple use                   
  activities and getting along with the oil and gas industry,                  
  which the Alaska Waterfowl Association regards as very                       
  important.  He said that Chickaloon Flats is very important                  
  for migrating birds.  He stated that when the weather is bad                 
  to the south of Prince William Sound, birds pile up in                       
  Southcentral Alaska and they have to have a place to go and                  
  one of the places is Chickaloon Flats.  He said all sorts of                 
  species of ducks and geese use Chickaloon Flats in the fall                  
  and there are some local nesting populations of green winged                 
  teal and pintail mallards.  He said in the spring,                           
  Chickaloon Flats is also used by geese, shore birds, and                     
  ducks.  He said the Alaska Waterfowl Association regards HB
  426 as a very good bill.  He said the key of HB 426 is that                  
  it gives ADF&G some oversight so that mistakes are not made                  
  in the future.  He urged the committee to support HB 426.                    
                                                                               
  Number 177                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE MACKIE asked Representative Bunde in which                    
  district Chickaloon Flats is located.                                        
                                                                               
  Number 178                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE BUNDE stated that Chickaloon Flats is located                 
  in Representative Navarre's district.                                        
                                                                               
  Number 179                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE MACKIE asked Representative Navarre how he                    
  felt about HB 426.                                                           
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE NAVARRE stated that he was looking at the                     
  bill for the first time so he was still formulating his                      
  opinion.  He said in general, he thought he supported it,                    
  with a reservation for oil and gas leasing.                                  
                                                                               
  Number 184                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE MACKIE made a motion to move HB 426 out of                    
  committee by unanimous consent, individual recommendations                   
  and zero fiscal note.                                                        
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE DAVIS stated that he noticed on the map an                    
  island called Bird Island.  He asked if the island was                       
  privately owned and if it is within the proposed critical                    
  habitat area and how might it affect the ownership and                       
  ownership activity.                                                          
                                                                               
  Number 192                                                                   
                                                                               
  REPRESENTATIVE BUNDE stated that to his knowledge, Bird                      
  Island is privately owned and the critical habitat                           
  designation would have no affect on the owners.  He said                     
  they have access via the pipeline road.                                      
                                                                               
  Number 198                                                                   
                                                                               
  CHAIRMAN GREEN asked if there were any objections to                         
  Representative Mackie's motion.  There were none.                            

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